Michelle Obama is getting real about how she and her husband Barack deal with life in the spotlight and the negatives that can come along with it, like pesky rumors. During a live taping of her and her brother Craig Robinson’s new podcast IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson at SXSW, Obama shared how she and her family—she and Barack share two daughters, Malia and Sasha—have dealt with public scrutiny and speculation, especially during Barack’s presidency.

“People always ask me and Barack, how did we stay hopeful in, not just the eight years that we were in the White House, but beyond?” she said. “Because, let me tell you, there was a lot of negative energy flipping our way—a lot of rumors, a lot of gossip, a lot of, you know, my husband wasn’t born in this country…we weren’t patriotic, he didn’t get into Harvard.”

She explained that they do their best to tune out the noise and stay out of the comments section on social media. “But through it all, what kept us sane—and we tried to instill this in our daughters—is, you cannot live through social media,” she said. “I don’t think I have ever once looked at a comment section, period.”

Obama explained that with starting this new podcast alongside her brother, she hopes to bring positivity to others and create a safe space for conversations in the sometimes scary world we live in. “With everything going on in the world, we’re all looking for answers and people to turn to,” she said at the beginning of the show. “My brother Craig and I launched the IMO podcast to create a space for people to come as they are, ask honest questions, give their opinions, and have thoughtful conversations about life.”

The former first lady and president met in 1989 before tying the knot in October 1992. Barack was elected president back in 2008 and served two terms in the White House. During a recent episode of the podcast, Michelle joked about the one pet peeve she has about Barack—not too bad for more than 30 years of marriage.

Barack, you know, he had to adjust to what on time was for me,” she explained to Robinson. “I was like, ‘Dude, a 3 o’clock departure means you’ve done all that,’ you know, it’s like, don’t start looking for your glasses at the 3 o’clock departure.”

She added, “He’s improved over 30 years of marriage, but that was a ‘you must adjust.'”